Predsednik ZDA Donald Trump: Svet, jaz sem usklajen s svetom in želim, da se ta stvar [konflikt v Ukrajini] konča. Vidite, kako sovraži [ruskega predsednika] Putina? S takšnim sovraštvom bi zelo težko sklenil dogovor. Ima ogromno sovraštvo in to razumem, vendar vam lahko povem, da tudi druga stran ni ravno zaljubljena vanj. Torej ne gre za vprašanje usklajevanja. Jaz sem usklajen s svetom. Hočem, da se stvar uredi. Zavezan sem Evropi. Hočem videti, ali lahko to zadevo izpeljemo. Želite, da sem strog? Lahko sem strožji od vseh ljudi, ki ste jih kdajkoli videli. Bila bi tako stroga, vendar na tak način ne boste nikoli dosegli dogovora, zato je tako.
Podpredsednik ZDA J. D. Vance: Poglejte, ZDA so imele štiri leta predsednika [Joeja Bidena], ki je na tiskovnih konferencah govoril o Vladimirju Putinu. Potem pa je Putin napadel Ukrajino in uničil velik del države. Pot do miru in blaginje je morda v diplomaciji. Poskusili smo pot [nekdanjega predsednika ZDA] Joeja Bidna, trkanja po prsih in pretvarjanja, da so besede predsednika ZDA pomembnejše od njegovih dejanj. Kaj dela Ameriko dobro državo? Ali se Amerika ukvarja z diplomacijo? To počne predsednik Trump.
Vladimir Zelenski iz Ukrajine: Ali vas lahko vprašam?
Vance: Seveda. Ja, ja.
Zelenski: DOBRO. Torej je [Putin] zasedel naše dele, velike dele Ukrajine, del vzhoda in Krim. Torej, zasedel ga je leta 2014. Torej, v mnogih letih ... Ne govorim samo o Bidnu, ampak takrat je bil predsednik Obama, potem predsednik Trump, potem predsednik Biden, zdaj predsednik Trump in, bog daj, zdaj ga bo predsednik Trump ustavil. Toda leta 2014 ga ni nihče ustavil. On je samo zasedel in vzel. Ubijal je ljudi. Veste, kakšna je kontaktna črta...
Trump: 2015.
Zelenski: 2014.
Trump: 2014 - nisem bil tukaj.
Zelenski: Ja, ampak od leta 2014 do leta 2022 je bilo stanje enako, ljudje so umirali na kontaktni črti. Nihče ga ni ustavil. Veste, da smo se z njim pogovarjali, veliko smo se pogovarjali, moj dvostranski pogovor, in z njim smo podpisali, jaz - kot novi predsednik [Ukrajine] - leta 2019 sem z njim podpisal sporazum. Z njim sem podpisal [francoski predsednik Emmanuel] Macron in [takratna nemška kanclerka Angela] Merkel, podpisali smo prekinitev ognja. Vsi so mi rekli, da ne bo nikoli odšel. Z njim sva podpisala pogodbo o plinu. Pogodbo o plinu, da, ampak potem je prekinil prekinitev ognja. Ubil je naše ljudi in ni izmenjal ujetnikov. Podpisali smo sporazum o izmenjavi ujetnikov, vendar tega ni storil. O kakšni diplomaciji govorite, J.D.? Kaj mislite... kaj mislite?
Vance: Govorim o diplomaciji, ki bo končala uničevanje vaše države, ki...
Zelenski: Da, ampak kaj..
Vance: Z vsem spoštovanjem, gospod predsednik, mislim, da je nespoštljivo, da pridete v Ovalno pisarno in poskušate to reševati pred ameriškimi mediji. Prav zdaj hodite naokoli in prisilno rekrutirate v prve linije, ker imate težave s kadri. Morali bi se zahvaliti predsedniku [ZDA], ker poskuša končati ta konflikt ...
Zelenski: Ali ste bili kdaj v Ukrajini, da bi rekli, kakšne težave imamo? Ste bili enkrat na obisku?
Vance: Sem bil ... Dejansko sem gledal in videl zgodbe in vem, kaj se dogaja, da pripeljete ljudi, jih pripeljete na propagandno turnejo, gospod predsednik, ali se ne strinjate, da ste imeli težave, kot je pripeljevanje ljudi v vašo vojsko.
Zelenski: Imamo težave...
Vance: In ali menite, da je spoštljivo priti v Ovalno pisarno ZDA in napadati administracijo, ki skuša preprečiti uničenje vaše države?
Zelenski: Veliko, veliko vprašanj. Začnimo od začetka.
Vance: Seveda.
Zelenski: Najprej, med vojno ima vsakdo težave, tudi vi. Toda vi imate lep ocean in ga zdaj ne čutite, a ga boste čutili v prihodnosti.
Trump: Tega ne veste.
Zelenski: Bog blagoslovi...
Trump: Ne govorite nam, kaj bomo čutili. Poskušamo rešiti težavo. Ne govorite nam, kaj bomo čutili.
Zelensky: Ne govorim vam, ampak odgovarjam na njegovo vprašanje.
Trump: Ker niste v položaju, da bi to narekovali...
Zelenski: Ne narekujem.
Trump: Niste v položaju, da bi nam narekovali, kaj bomo čutili. Počutili se bomo zelo dobro in zelo močno.
Zelenski: Čutili boste vpliv...
Trump: Trenutno niste v zelo dobrem položaju. Dopustili ste, da ste se znašli v zelo slabem položaju, on [Vance] pa ima pri tem po naključju prav.
Zelenski: Od začetka vojne...
Trump: Niste v dobrem položaju. Trenutno nimate kart. Z nami boste začeli imeti karte.
Zelenski: Mi ne igramo kart.
Trump: Vi igrate karte. Igraš na srečo z življenji milijonov ljudi. Igraš na srečo s tretjo svetovno vojno. Igraš na srečo s tretjo svetovno vojno. To, kar počnete, je zelo nespoštljivo do države, te države. Podprla vas je veliko bolj, kot bi po mnenju mnogih morala.
Vance: Ali ste se vsaj enkrat zahvalili?
Zelenski: Velikokrat.
Vance: Ne, ali ste se na celotnem tem srečanju kdaj zahvalili? Oktobra ste šli v Pensilvanijo in vodili kampanjo za opozicijo. Ponudite nekaj besed hvaležnosti ZDA in predsedniku, ki skuša rešiti vašo državo.
Zelenski: Prosim, mislite, da če boste zelo glasno govorili o vojni...
Trump: Ne govori glasno. Ne govori glasno. Vaša država je v velikih težavah.
Zelenski: Ali lahko odgovorim?
Trump: Ne, ne. Veliko ste govorili. Vaša država je v velikih težavah.
Zelenski: Vem.
Trump: Ne zmagujete. Tega ne boste dobili.
Zelenski: Jaz...
Trump: Zaradi nas imate prekleto dobre možnosti, da boste prišli v redu.
Zelenski: Gospod predsednik, ostajamo v svoji državi in ostajamo močni. Od samega začetka vojne smo bili sami in smo vam hvaležni, rekel sem hvala ...
Trump: Niste bili sami. Niste bili sami. Prek tega neumnega predsednika [Bidena] smo vam dali 350 milijard dolarjev. Dali smo vam vojaško opremo in vaši možje so pogumni, vendar so morali uporabljati našo vojaško [opremo] ... Če ne bi imeli naše vojaške opreme, bi bilo te vojne konec v dveh tednih ...
Zelenski: V treh dneh, sem to slišal od Putina. V treh dneh. To je nekaj
Trump: Mogoče manj.
Zelenski: V dveh tednih. Seveda, da.
Trump: Zelo težko bo poslovati na ta način.
Vance: Toda, ali se lahko samo zahvalite...
Zelenski: Velikokrat sem se zahvalil Američanom...
Vance: Sprejmite, da obstajajo nesoglasja, in pojdimo ta nesoglasja reševati v razgovorih, namesto da se poskušate boriti v ameriških medijih, ko se motite. Vemo, da se motite.
Trump: Mislim, da je dobro, da Američani vidijo, kaj se dogaja. Mislim, da je to zelo pomembno. Zato sem tako dolgo vztrajal pri tem. Morate biti hvaležni, nimate kart.
Zelenski: Hvaležen sem.
Trump: Tam ste pokopani. Ljudje umirajo. Primanjkuje vam vojakov. Poslušajte, primanjkuje vam vojakov. To bi bila prekleto dobra novica...
Zelenski: Prosim, gospod predsednik...
Trump: Potem nam povejte: „Ne želim premirja, ne želim premirja, hočem iti in to sem hotel.“ Poglejte, če bi lahko dosegli prekinitev ognja zdaj, vam povem - vzemite ga, da nehajo leteti krogle in da vas, moške, nehajo pobijati.
Zelenski: Seveda želimo ustaviti vojno...
Trump: Toda vi pravite, da ne želite prekinitve ognja. Hočem prekinitev ognja.
Zelenski: Ampak jaz sem vam rekel, kje so zagotovila?
Trump: Kajti prekinitev ognja boste dosegli hitreje kot sporazum.
Zelenski: Vprašajte naše ljudi o premirju, kaj menijo. Za vas ni pomembno, kaj pravijo?
Trump: To ni bilo pri meni. To je bilo s človekom po imenu Biden, ki ni bil pameten človek. To je bilo z Obamo. Oprostite. To je bilo z Obamo, ki vam je dal liste, jaz pa vam je dal javeline [prenosni protitankovski sistemi]. Da, dal sem vam Javeline, da bi odstranili vse te tanke. Obama vam je dal liste. Pravzaprav je izjava Obame, da je dal liste in Trumpa, da je dal Javeline. Morate biti bolj hvaležni, ker naj vam povem, da nimate kart. Z nami imate karte, brez nas pa nimate nobenih kart ... Težko bo skleniti dogovor, ker je treba spremeniti odnos.
Novinar: Kaj če Rusija prekine prekinitev ognja?
Trump: Kaj če karkoli? Kaj če vam zdaj pade bomba na glavo? V REDU? Kaj če jo bodo prelomili? Ne vem. Z Bidenom so jo prekinili, ker ga niso spoštovali. Obame niso spoštovali. Mene spoštujejo.
Naj vam povem, da je Putin z mano preživel ogromno. Prestal je lažni lov na čarovnice, ko so izkoristili njega in Rusijo. Rusija, Rusija, Rusija. Ste kdaj slišali za ta dogovor? To je bila lažna prevara Hunterja Bidena, Joeja Bidena, Hillary Clinton, Shiftyja Adama Schiffa, ki je bil demokratska prevara, in on je moral skozi to in je šel skozi to. Nismo se znašli v vojni. In šel je skozi to. Obtožili so ga vsega, s čimer ni imel ničesar opraviti. To je prišlo iz kopalnice Hunterja Bidena. Prišlo je iz spalnice Hunterja Bidena. Bilo je odvratno. In potem so rekli: „Oh, oh, prenosni računalnik iz pekla je izdelala Rusija.“ 51 agentov, vse skupaj je bila prevara in on se je moral s tem sprijazniti. Obtoževali so ga vsega tega. Lahko rečem le to. Morda je prelomil dogovore z Obamo in Bushem in morda jih je prelomil z Bidenom. Je pa jih sklenil. Morda, morda pa ne. Ne vem, kaj se je zgodilo, a z mano jih ni prelomil. On [Putin] želi skleniti dogovor. Ne vem, ali lahko vi sklenite dogovor.
Trump Zelenskemu: Menim, da brez ZDA ne bi bil trdoživ, če ne bi bil trdoživ. In vaši ljudje so zelo pogumni. Toda ali boste sklenili dogovor ali pa smo izstopili. In če bomo izstopili, se boste borili. Mislim, da to ne bo lepo, vendar se boste borili.
Vendar nimate kart. Ko bomo podpisali dogovor, boste v veliko boljšem položaju. Vendar se ne obnašate hvaležno, kar ni lepo. Če sem iskren, to ni lepo.
V redu, mislim, da smo videli dovolj. Kaj mislite vi? To bo odlična televizija, bom rekel.
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28 Feb, 2025 21:20
Zelensky’s meltdown in the Oval Office (WATCH FULL)
The Ukrainian leader was kicked out of the White House after a heated exchange with President Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance
The meeting between Vladimir Zelensky and US President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance on Friday devolved into an openly hostile confrontation during which the Ukrainian leader was accused of ungratefulness to the American people and an unwillingness to negotiate an end to the conflict with Russia.
Read the transcript of the heated exchange below:
US President Donald Trump: The world, I am aligned with the world and I want to get this thing [the Ukraine conflict] over with. You see the hatred he has got for [Russian president] Putin? It is very tough for me to make a deal with that kind of hate. He has got tremendous hatred, and I understand that, but I can tell you the other side is not exactly in love with, you know, him either. So it is not a question of alignment. I am aligned with the world. I want to get the thing set. I am allied with Europe. I want to see if we can get this thing done. You want me to be tough? I could be tougher than any human being you have ever seen. I would be so tough, but you are never going to get a deal that way, so that is the way it goes.
US Vice President J.D. Vance: I would respond to this. So look, for four years, the US, we had a president [Joe Biden], who stood up at press conferences and talked tough about Vladimir Putin. And then Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy. We tried the pathway of [former US President] Joe Biden, of thumping our chest and pretending that the US president’s words mattered more than the US president’s actions. What makes America a good country? Is America engaging in diplomacy? That is what president Trump is doing.
Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky: Can I ask you?
Vance: Sure. Yeah, Yeah.
Zelensky: OK. So he [Putin] occupied our parts, big parts of Ukraine, part of East and Crimea. So, he occupied it on 2014. So, during a lot of years… I am not speaking about just Biden, but those time was President Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, now the President Trump and, God bless, now President Trump will stop him. But during 2014 nobody stopped him. He just occupied and took. He killed people. You know what the contact line…
Trump: 2015.
Zelensky: 2014.
Trump: 2014 – I was not here.
Zelensky: Yes, but during 2014 till 2022 what the situation the same that people are been dying on the contact line. Nobody stopped him. You know that we had conversations with him, a lot of conversations, my bilateral conversation and we signed with him, me – like a new president [of Ukraine] – in 2019 I signed with him the deal. I signed with him [French President Emmanuel] Macron and [then German Chancellor Angela] Merkel, we signed ceasefire. Ceasefire, all of them told me that he will never go. We signed with him gas contract. Gas contract, yes, but after that he broken the ceasefire. He killed our people and he did not exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he did not do it. What kind of diplomacy, J.D., you are speaking about? What do you… what do you mean?
Vance: I am talking about the kind of diplomacy that is going to end the destruction of your country that…
Zelensky: Yes, but what do you..
Vance: Mr. President with respect, I think it is disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media. Right now you guys are going around enforcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the [US] president for trying to bring an end to this conflict…
Zelensky: Have you ever been to Ukraine that you say what problems we have? Have you come once?
Vance: I have been to… I have actually watched and seen the stories and I know what happens is you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour, Mr. President, or do you disagree that you have had problems like bringing people in your military.
Zelensky: We have problems…
Vance: And do you think that it is respectful to come to the Oval Office of the US and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country?
Zelensky: A lot of, a lot of questions. Let us start from the beginning.
Vance: Sure.
Zelensky: First of all, during the war everybody has problems, even you. But you have nice ocean and do not feel now, but you will feel it in the future.
Trump: You do not know that.
Zelensky: God bless…
Trump: Do not tell us what we are going to feel. We are trying to solve a problem. Do not tell us what we are going to feel.
Zelensky: I am not telling you, I am answering on his question.
Trump: Because you are in no position to dictate that…
Zelensky: I am not dictating.
Trump: You are in no position to dictate what we are going to feel. We are gonna feel very good and very strong.
Zelensky: You will feel influence…
Trump: You are right now not in a very good position. You have allowed yourself to be in a very bad position and he [Vance] happens to be right about it.
Zelensky: From the beginning of the war…
Trump: You are not in a good position. You do not have the cards right now. With us you start having cards.
Zelensky: We are not playing cards.
Trump: You are playing cards. You are gambling with the lives of millions of people. You are gambling with Word War Three. You are gambling with Word War Three. What you are doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country. It has backed you far more than a lot of people said they should have.
Vance: Have you said thank you once?
Zelensky: A lot of times.
Vance: No, in this entire meeting, have you said thank you? You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October. Offer some words of appreciation for the US and the president, who is trying to save your country.
Zelensky: Please, you think that if you will speak very loudly about the war…
Trump: He is not speaking loudly. He is not speaking loudly. Your country is in big trouble.
Zelensky: Can I answer?
Trump: No, no. You have done a lot of talking. Your country is in big trouble.
Zelensky: I know.
Trump: You are not winning. You are not winning this.
Zelensky: I…
Trump: You have a damn good chance of coming out OK because of us.
Zelensky: Mr. President, we are staying in our country, staying strong. From the very beginning of the war, we have been alone and we are thankful, I said thank you…
Trump: You have not been alone. You have not been alone. We gave you through this stupid president [Biden] $350 billion. We gave you military equipment, and your men are brave, but they had to use our military [equipment]… If you did not have our military equipment this war would have been over in two weeks…
Zelensky: In three days, I have heard it from Putin. In three days. This is something
Trump: Maybe less.
Zelensky: In two weeks. Of course, yes.
Trump: It is going to be a very hard thing to do business like this.
Vance: But can you just say thank you…
Zelensky: I said a lot of times thank you to American people…
Vance: Accept that there are disagreements and let us go litigate those disagreements rather than trying to fight it out in the American media when you are wrong. We know that you are wrong.
Trump: But you see, I think it is good for the American people to see what is going on. I think it is very important. That is why I kept this going so long. You have to be thankful, you do not have the cards.
Zelensky: I am thankful.
Trump: You are buried there. People are dying. You are running low on soldiers. Listen, you are running low on soldiers. It would be damn good news…
Zelensky: Please, Mr. President…
Trump: Then you tell us: “I don't want a ceasefire, I do not want a ceasefire, I want to go and I wanted this.” Look, if you could get a ceasefire right now, I tell you - you take it, so the bullets stop flying and your men stop getting killed.
Zelensky: Of course, we want to stop the war…
Trump: But you are saying you do not want a ceasefire. I want a ceasefire.
Zelensky: But I said to you where are the guarantees?
Trump: Because you get a ceasefire faster than an agreement.
Zelensky: Ask our people about ceasefire, what they think. It does not matter for you what they say?
Trump: That was not with me. That was with a guy named Biden, who was not a smart person. That was with Obama. Excuse me. That was with Obama, who gave you sheets and I gave you Javelins [man-portable anti-tank systems]. Yes, I gave you the Javelins to take out all those tanks. Obama gave you sheets. In fact, the statement is Obama gave sheets and Trump gave Javelins. You got to be more thankful because let me tell you you do not have the cards. With us you have the cards, but without us you do not have any cards… It is going to be a tough deal to make because the attitudes have to change.
Journalist: What if Russia breaks the ceasefire?
Trump: What if anything? What if the bomb drops on your head right now? OK? What if they broke it? I do not know. They broke it with Biden because they did not respect him. They did not respect Obama. They respect me.
Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me. He went through a phony witch hunt when they used him and Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia. You ever hear of that deal? That was a phony Hunter Biden, Joe Biden scam, Hillary Clinton, Shifty Adam Schiff, who was a Democrat scam, and he had to go through that and he did go through it. We did not end up in a war. And he went through it. He was accused of all that stuff he had nothing to do with. It came out of Hunter Biden’s bathroom. It came out of Hunter Biden’s bedroom. It was disgusting. And then they said: “Oh, oh, the laptop from hell was made by Russia.” The 51 agents, the whole thing was a scam and he had to put up with that. He was being accused of all that stuff. All I can say is this. He might have broken deals with Obama and Bush and he might have broken them with Biden. He did. Maybe, maybe he did not. I do not know what happened, but he did not break it with me. He [Putin] wants to make a deal. I do not know if you can make a deal.
Trump to Zelensky: The problem is I have empowered you to be a tough guy, and I do not think you would be a tough guy without the US. And your people are very brave. But you are either gonna make a deal or we are out. And if we are out, you will fight it out. I do not think it is going to be pretty, but you will fight it out.
But you do not have the cards. But once we sign that deal, you are in a much better position. But you are not acting at all thankful, and that is not a nice thing. I will be honest, that is not a nice thing.
Alright, I think we have seen enough. What do you think?.. This is going to be great television I will say that.
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